Episode Summary In this conversation, Carne Ross discusses his journey from being a British diplomat to advocating for self-governance and participatory democracy. He highlights the current challenges facing democracy, including economic inequality and the influence of wealth on political systems. Ross emphasises the importance of technology in enabling democratic participation while also warning of its potential for surveillance and control. He explores the future of governance, suggesting that change must come from the bottom up, and imagines alternative societal models that prioritise human connection and agency.

Key Topics Covered

• Carne Ross' transition from a belief in state governance to anarchism.
• The significant challenges facing democracy, including declining public confidence.
• How economic inequality contributes to the disenfranchisement of citizens.
• How real agency in democracy requires more than just voting every few years.
• Why change must come from grassroots movements and individual actions.
• Why technology can empower participatory democracy but also poses risks of surveillance.
• The challenge of wealth concentration leading to disproportionate political influence.
• How the current political system often only offers an illusion of choice.
• Historical examples show that self-governance is possible and has existed before.
• Why future societies may need to prioritise human connection over consumerism.

Notable Quotes

• "Nothing about us without us."
• "Democracy is in great trouble."
• "People are denied economic agency."
• "Change comes from the bottom up."
• "Money is power."
• "Capitalism is a very clever system."

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Carne Ross and His Journey

02:29 The State of Democracy and Its Challenges

06:56 The Role of Technology in Democracy

10:55 The Influence of Wealth and Power

16:43 The Future of Governance and Political Change

21:34 Imagining Future Societies and Governance Models

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